Developer: fine grain

Here nan interesting discussion about „fine grain“ devs:

Hi! here it is 🙂      


This fine-grain formula keeps well and makes an excellent tank developer

Hot Water (125 F. or 52 C)
Agfa Metol 8 grams
Agfa Sodium Sulphite, anhydrous. .. 125 grams
Agfa Sodium Carbonate, monohydrated.  5.75 grams
Agfa Potassium Bromide 2.5 grams
Water to make  1 Liter.
Do not dilute for use. Develop 8 to 12 minutes at 65 F/(18 C.).

And a comment from (I think Rüdiger):

O.K. Fine grain is due to the high content of sodium sulfite (solving developer).

Potassium Bromide seems to be a little high. This may eat quite a lot of sensitivity 1 gramm up to one stop. Modern emulsions don’t need that much – if any.

I work with a much simpler bath that Barry Thornton made for new emulsions. It is a two-bath basically

Bath A:

6.5 g metol, 80 g sodium sulfite to 1 litre.

Bath B:

20 g of sodium metaborate to 1 litre

You „charge“ the emulsion in bath A with initial inversion 1 minute, then once per minute.

Then change to bath B without watering in between.

Initial inversion only once (in order not to wash out the developer) and also once per minute.

The good thing about is: Every  ISO 100 film need 4 minutes in each bath and every ISO 400 film 5 minutes.
The developer is good for 10 to 15 rolls.

Very good highlight balancing due to two-bath (developer gets exhausted in the highlights). Fine grain and sharp.You get at least box speed, if not 1/3 to 1/2 f-stop on top.

Lens – Schneider 4×5 M-Componon 80/4

I stumbled upon this „Lupenobjektiv“.

It has a reduced focal distance and is usually used with a macro tubus.

Schneider : Lens for high resolution, up to large format macrophotography; used with Copal 0 shutter and special macro tube for Linhof Technika. Also ideally for 35mm on bellows.

Focal Lenght: 80
Aperture: 4.0
ApertureRange: 1/2/4/8/16/32
Magnification: 1:1…7:1
Opt. Magnification:  
Mount: M29.5×0.5

Another user tells me it covers 8×10, I have still to try this.

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Film – Perutz 17

The German firm of Otto Perutz was established in 1870. It was the first to produce a roll film for the Leitz camera.

In 1880 Otto Perutz started the Perutz-Photowerke in Munich, Germany.

They first made dry film plates there and later made many innovations in early film photography.

The Perutz 17 film was produced in 1956, eight years before Perutz was taken over by Agfa in 1964 and in the year of my birth.

I got the Perutz 17 „tropical“, 40 ASA, expired 1966.

The „Tali“ meant in daylight loadable film, these had no cassettes.

Sadly I got no usable negs out of it.

Film – Orwo NP22 (exp. 1998)

I scanned the flyers that came with the 120 film and found the original R09 dev receipt:

I exposed the fim in an old Agfa Isolette a bit longer, using the sunny sixteen + one stop.

In R09 development 1:40 I used 20 Min at 20 Celsius, every min 3 agitations.

To compensate for non constant agitation you should at 15%, I did 20 min dev to give the film one more stop due to the old age.

Results were fine.

Film – Delta 3200

Dev times

Real Sensibility is about 1250 ISO, be careful with Rodinal (grain)

D-76StockISO 4007 min7 min20°C
D-76StockISO 8008 min8 min20°C
D-76StockISO 16009:30 min9:30 min20°C
D-76StockISO 320010:30 min10:30 min20°C
D-76StockISO 640013 min13 min20°C
ID-11StockISO 4007 min7 min20°C
ID-11StockISO 8008 min8 min20°C
ID-11StockISO 16009:30 min9:30 min20°C
ID-11StockISO 320010:30 min10:30 min20°C
ID-11StockISO 640013 min13 min20°C
ILFOTEC DD-X1+4ISO 4006 min6 min20°C
ILFOTEC DD-X1+4ISO 8007 min7 min20°C
ILFOTEC DD-X1+4ISO 16008 min8 min20°C
ILFOTEC DD-X1+4ISO 32009:30 min9:30 min20°C
ILFOTEC DD-X1+4ISO 640012:30 min12:30 min20°C
MicrophenStockISO 4006 min6 min20°C
MicrophenStockISO 8007 min7 min20°C
MicrophenStockISO 16008 min8 min20°C
MicrophenStockISO 32009 min9 min20°C
MicrophenStockISO 640012 min12 min20°C
Rodinal1+25ISO 4005:30 min5:30 min20°C
Rodinal1+25ISO 8007 min7 min20°C
Rodinal1+25ISO 16009 min9 min20°C
Rodinal1+25ISO 320011 min11 min20°C
XtolStockISO 4005 min5 min20°C
XtolStockISO 8006 min6 min20°C
XtolStockISO 16006:30 min6:30 min20°C
XtolStockISO 32007:30 min7:30 min20°C
XtolStockISO 640010 min10 min20°C

Agitation: First 60 seconds, than 4 inversions every minute

2019/10 when in spain…

While on a trip in spain I had my RSS 6×6 pinhole with me, along with Agfa ortho 25, expired 1992, later dev. in Rodinal 1:100 semistand 1 hour, 20 Celsius.

Avila – the fountain
Avila – parador
El escorial
Segovia – the cannon
Toledo – the bridge

Camera – Cameradactyl

Finally a free afternoon. I went out with the (black) Cameradactyl 4×5 to try a few shots with the cheaply aquired, cleaned and mounted 127 lens.

Of course as soon as I arrived with my bicycle the weather went to light rain.

The tripod mount I glued in is not stable (looking for an idea to get it right) and while composing the camera was rather wobbly on the tripod.

Fuji X-ray film (Fuji AD-M 18×24 100 Bl. mammography film, one side emulsion), Rodinal 1:100, 20 Celsius, about 10min under red light with visual control.

The pic shows part of the eremitage, a long forgotten place where some monks once lived in solitude near the Nahe valley, Bad Kreuznach.

x-ray – eremitage